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2010 Kona Stab Supreme - Exclusive look.
by spoiledgoods
Posted: Aug 7, 2009
Arguably the most talked about bike from Kona's line up is the Stab Supreme. The Stab Supreme sets the bar as Kona's high end downhill bike, and for 2010 it has not only lost some weight, but got some component changes, and frame refinements that make it a contender on the downhill scene for the 2010 race season.
Full Specs, Photos, Changes
Full Specs, Photos, Changes
2010 Kona Stab Supreme
Major Changes:
Reduced frame and component weight
-3 pound weight savings - 39.5 lbs final weight
Tapered 1.125" to 1.5" headtube
-Added strength with minimal weight penalty
New cold forged swing arm, yokes, head tube and bottom bracket
- Cold forging adds rigidity and durability.
New chainstay
-Lighter, and slimmer width wise.
-Added x brace internally for added rigidity.
Minor Changes:
New clear coat finish
-Can save up to a full pound off a frame
-Scratches are less noticeable
Component Changes:
Boxxer World Cup fork and Fox RC4 Rear Shock
32" Gravity Light Bar
Visual Changes:
Cleaner graphics, less flashy paintjob
Still kept a good component color match going on
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Price
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$5499
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$5999
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Travel
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8"
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8"
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Rear Shock
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Fox DHX 5.0
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Fox DHX RC4
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Fork
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Marzocchi 888 RC3 World Cup 200mm
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RockShox Boxxer World Cup 200mm w/20mm Dropouts
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Headset
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FSA Pig
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FSA Gravity DX
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Cassette
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Shimano XT (11-32, 9spd)
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Shimano XT (12-32, 9spd)
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Crankarms
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Shimano Saint
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Shimano Saint (170mm) 36T
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Chainguide
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E.Thirteen LG1
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E13 LG1 Alloy w/Taco
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Bottom Bracket
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Shimano Saint
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Shimano Saint
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Pedals
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Kona Wah-Wah
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Kona Wah-Wah
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Chain
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Shimano LX
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Shimano SLX
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Rear Derailleur
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Shimano Saint
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Shimano Saint
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Front Derailleur
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N/A
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N/A
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Shifter Pods
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Shimano Saint (rh only)
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Shimano Saint
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Handlebar
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RaceFace Diabolus FR Riser
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FSA Gravity Light (800mm Wide, 25mm Rise)
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Stem
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RaceFace Diabolus D2
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FSA Gravity Light (50mm/55mm Length, 31.8)
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Grips
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Kona LOG
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Kona LOG
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Brakes
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Shimano Saint Hydraulic Disc
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Shimano Saint Disc 8"
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Wheelset
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N/A
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N/A
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Hubs
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Shimano Saint
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Shimano Saint
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Spokes
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Sandvik Stainless 14g
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Sandvik Stainless 14g
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Rim
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Sun MTX 33
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Sun MTX 33
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Tires
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Maxxis Minion 3C 26x2.5
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Kenda Nevegal DH 26x2.5
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Seat
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WTB Devo Team Cromo
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WTB Devo Team
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Seatpost
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RaceFace Diabolus
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FSA Gravity DH-300
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New Decal Detail
32" Wide Gravity Bars
ISCG and ISCG 05 Mounts
New Headtube - Tapered
New chainstays and back end
Adjustable Clevis
Kona D.O.P.E. System
Link detail
59 Comments
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saynotohucks
(Aug 8, 2009 at 0:03)
HOLY f*ck!! THAT'S NICE!! About time Kona had Boxxers on the Stab's.
Waaay better than my 2008 Barel Edition tank, with long cage derailleur and XC-oriented cassette...I'd ride this one stock!
its a misprint $5699 on the kona website, $200 for a boxxer wc and a e13 lg1+, ya i think i will pay that.
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thats actually big improvements, a sub 40 pound race bike is where they should be now, and you can easily drop another 2 pounds with those garbage wheels
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i think that clevis is a little small to be barring all that weight, i think its going to be a problem.
out of curiosity, why does PB think we all want to read about every single "new" kona? wasn't the sneak peek enough?
^^^^everybody was complaining about how the specs and geo hasn't changed, so they ran a side by side comparison.
It's detailed information and side by side comparison from previous years. You can see for a fact what changed and what did not instead of speculating. Many users wanted a way to view that information in one place so we created a system and going forward you'll be able to compare all bikes like this.
I have never liked Kona. They are tough, but slow. Friend of mine went from a Stinky D to a Session 10 and was over 20+ seconds faster on a 2.5 minute run... Admittedly that isnt their race bike, but its pretty much the same thing, just lighter. I have never seen an immediate improvement just from switching a bike.
trek: slack geometry, much longer wheelbase, 3 more inches of travel..
and like you said, the stinky isn't really built to race anyway.
and like you said, the stinky isn't really built to race anyway.
yeah it isnt built to race but a session 10 isnt really built to "freeride" either... I have never seen anyone make such an improvement IN ALL ASPECTS OF RIDING as I have just from him switching bikes.
Not happy with Pinkbike, whats with the good coverage on the Kona's but lack of for Norco, I was pretty dissaponited with, More specs and comparisons then the norco's and NOrco is even a sponser of pinkbike isnt it? 2 THUMBS DOWN for pinkbike and there lack of coverage for NORCO's 2010 lineup.
We've just integrated the product system into the news system, and this is the first company to use it. This allows us from now on to give everyone easy and concise look at the specs. Clear comparison of specs and geometry from previous years. It'll be like this for ever company starting now, due to only now the tech being enabled.
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i do nt care if people votee my comment down but i like last years way better but the forks on this one is sick
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OH MY GOD THAT'S SO...SO...the same as every other year. Nice spec but main pivot bushings? Still? So tired.
I have the march 2000 issue of mountainbike action. They do a dh comparison test. The 2000 stab primo aside from the tubeset is the same bike haha. This has to be the longest running dh design
if that bike is ACTUALLY 39.5 pounds out of the box, simple upgrades could easily put it under 38... lighter rims and air shock alone would probably accomplish that...
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Hmmm, a move in the right direction, but why no direct mount stem? Even the Holzfeller would save weight and lover the front end. Also Kenda tyres suck ass, Maxxis 2.5 3c minion front + high roller rear. For the top of the range why no deemax or equivalent? Why a wide ratio cassette? needs 165m cranks as once you drop it into the slack geo setting the bb is just right but 170's touch down too easy. Also dh seat post is unnecessary, put something lighter in! Thomson or SDG I beam?
Finally Lose the Saint BRAKES they are unreliable, heavy, and avid elixir crs would trim some fat and put bluntly work ten times better! Oh yeah drop on some decent grips too. Ti spring optional? but lovely!
Apart from that nice work boys! I'm not flaming it I just don't understand compromising spec on a $5000 dollar bike I'd rather pay a smidge more and have it bang on straight away. Plus I reckon you'd save atleast a pound or more with those changes.
Finally Lose the Saint BRAKES they are unreliable, heavy, and avid elixir crs would trim some fat and put bluntly work ten times better! Oh yeah drop on some decent grips too. Ti spring optional? but lovely!
Apart from that nice work boys! I'm not flaming it I just don't understand compromising spec on a $5000 dollar bike I'd rather pay a smidge more and have it bang on straight away. Plus I reckon you'd save atleast a pound or more with those changes.
i agree with your comment, but in shops here we can pay a little more and get the parts replaced with what we want. but it costs. depending on the parts you want!
My main complaint is the tapered head tube. I don't care how many bikes have it, it is still stupid.
A tapered headtube is for extra strength. It is not stupid, it is smart.
It is irrelevant what other bikes have it, as having it means you get more strength. It's not for show, but serves a very specific purpose.
It is irrelevant what other bikes have it, as having it means you get more strength. It's not for show, but serves a very specific purpose.
Ask any experienced wrench, Shimano brakes are more reliable than Avid, especially on the lower end. And I'm pretty sure the saints are lighter.
Any experienced wrench? me and my house mate have over 20 years Spannering in bike shops between us, including a year in whistler and we both agree that the new saints are just plain annoying, levers blocking up and sticking seals. Think you want to check your numbers on the brakes mate avid elixir cr 372g vs shimano saint 526g based on 200mm rotors.
A 1.5 tube is stronger overall, so why not stick with that? Oh, because then you can't con people into buying new crap they don't need, to save 1/2 a gram.
whoops, I forgot Saints are now 4 pot calipers.. I guess I was thinking of the "older" 1-piece caliper that they've used for years, Shimano brakes have always been lighter than Avid. So I haven't seen or worked on the new Saints, but have encountered many problems with Avids in the past with poor seals and tolerances, even when they're working "well" the performance and lever feel doesn't compare in my opinion. I think most wrenches would agree that (up until '09 at least) Shimanos are far more reliable than Avid brakes.
As far as the HT, I think most have concluded that the 1.5 isn't necessary for the top half of the HT. And I think you're looking at more than 1/2 gram.. the toptube, upper headset cup, bearings and the steertube would all have to be bigger as well. It's probably more like a 1/2 lb and you probably wouldn't notice the extra strength unless you drove into your carport or hit a tree hard enough to crumple your downtube.
As far as the HT, I think most have concluded that the 1.5 isn't necessary for the top half of the HT. And I think you're looking at more than 1/2 gram.. the toptube, upper headset cup, bearings and the steertube would all have to be bigger as well. It's probably more like a 1/2 lb and you probably wouldn't notice the extra strength unless you drove into your carport or hit a tree hard enough to crumple your downtube.
But the guy above me said it is for extra strength, now you are saying strength isn't important? It's a scam. Get that through your head and the happier you'll be, and i call bs on a 1/2 lb increase. That's almost 5-10% of the total frame weight from a slightly larger diameter tube?
If anything is a scam it's the straight 1.5 tube rather than tapered because the extra diameter isn't really needed at the top. Ever notice that the lower crown is always a lot burlier on dual crown forks? It's the same idea.. when was the last time you saw a steertube or headtube fail at the top but not at the bottom? hmmm.
The color looks Nicer in the 2009, except for the logos that look better in new one, that's acceptable... but the boxxer (brokenoxxer) nice tunning but at least in chile and finland, U look at them with ugly eyes and U break sliders.
Ask Lehikoinen how many he broke during the seasons he ran on Boxxer, or even let's make a Poll of how many boxxers 2010 are broken already at this date.
New 888 wc or for 40 would be aceptable.
Ask Lehikoinen how many he broke during the seasons he ran on Boxxer, or even let's make a Poll of how many boxxers 2010 are broken already at this date.
New 888 wc or for 40 would be aceptable.
I think it's great that Kona didn't throw a proven design away in order to try something new.
A proven, refined design that works is so much more fun to ride and own than something new and complicated.
A proven, refined design that works is so much more fun to ride and own than something new and complicated.
Looks cool, I have the 2006 Stab Supreme and it has been great. Just upgraded to a Giant Glory but still have the Stab frame (for now).I find that systems like Maestro and VPP and DW are a little more efficient than the bolt on-band aid D.O.P.E. system. It works, but it's a pain and noisy.
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